Energy and movement are both spontaneous and natural and come from who we are. There is no effort involved in being who we already are. In the discussion I tried to correlate the appearance of effort with the amount of resistance we have to what is showing up? Effort or effortlessness might be one of the most misunderstood phenomena of our time. Actually awakening was not a suffering path for Mike, he says it was a gentle relief. Typical movies take us to far away places and make us feel as though we were there. Of course a talk show is a completely different experience. With so many videos in this festival, isn't it amazing that we are each immediately attracted to what has interest for us?  Especially for those of us with a modest lifestyle without much travel or break from our routine.  It definitely seems rewarding to relish beautiful cinematography, music and subject matter to enrich our normal lives. There is a value in that. These are all the things that are "Out There". In our series of talks, we are curious about what is the mechanism that forms our interest. Why does our attention take the focus that it does take and what choice, if any, do we have in the matter.  We do not suggest that one should be substituted for the other, just to notice. This comprises what is "In Here."